Another great article. It seems to me that there is no more veneration for the worthy. The only true veneration we find is in trash culture, pop icons, TV stars and big business people. Unfortunately almost none of the above are venerable. If only we could find a way back to venerating the Worthy, those honest and courageous people who work/fight for the betterment of their families, their communities and their people. Thanks for writing.
It is normal, but normal and healthy aren't the same thing. It's normal that people identify themselves woth the State, but it's also natural that people who do so tend to lose touch with right and wrong- because the State is always right.
The State itself stands in the place of God for most people, regardless of their professed religions or the officiates of their State.
I think your observation that the Nation is a political body is most keen and is a point that many do not comprehend - that it's never “them” or “they” performing crimes of State, but it's *always* “we” or “us with them.”
The leaders are no more separate from the people than a head is separate from a body, regardless of one's like or dislike of particular leaders.
A point that can be taken from this article and discussion is that the people of a nation (or any community) can become unified and bonded together because of a powerful leader. That is a nearly unknown concept in modern western society. The last somewhat unifying leader in the U.S. was probably JFK. In the UK, I'm not sure; maybe Thatcher? The point is that our societies are divided against themselves, rather than united, because of the temporary style of leadership in which the current one vilifies the previous one, and which will be vilified themselves by the next. If a leader represents it's people, is it any wonder that we are schizophrenic society with auto-immune disease that is on the edge of civil war? The one great thing that unites a divided group is an outside threat or enemy; Rome nearly always had that, North Korea has always had it (perceived or real), and the last time our peoples had it was WWII.
This movement, or idea for a people, can only come together under a strong leader and under an outside threat. That threat right now is extinction of our race, culture and people by infiltrators of the other. When a people comes together for a common cause, all other differences are minimized and become largely irrelevant.
The common understanding of a leader nowadays (as shown by Palin), who is to be scrutinized until some minute personal flaw is found and then ridiculed out of office, and is a temporary placeholder grasping for power and personal gain, is a very flawed method of leadership. Monarchy, or at least autocracy, as flawed as they are, have historically shown to be better long-term methods of leadership. I am not opposed to going back to that.
What we have here is the Hero cult that go way back even to the Greeks with Hercules. Even Homer have a political value because his epics shaped the Greek soul itself. Their shades are still tied to their bodies and so the cities still honored them in expectation of guidance and protection. Even the dead rose to fight the Persians when they invaded Athens. America, that supposed common man’s democracy, used to have giant sculptures of Washington, Jefferson, Robert E. Lee, and Lincoln, up to Mount Rushmore. Even in 2020, long after our skepticism begun, my family and I still felt deep outrage at the violence visited upon their images. There are many “conservatives” who get confused when I tell them that 2020 changed everything for me. Their fossilized brains cannot understand this deep human, pagan, reverence. Too stuck on the flypaper of abstractions.
You need to actually read the article. I’ve talked about Rome, and I’ve disavowed North Korea’s politics. It’s the veneration of a political leader that I’m addressing, because that in itself is actually a normal desire.
If there’s a trend that pagans are disproportionately in favour of North Korea then you’d have to point me to it. It’s something I’ve yet to see, given that I’m part of many prominent pagan circles.
“I’m not vouching for their ideology, general politics and domestic or geopolitical actions. The question concerns this particular feature of public life and the relationship between the people and the state:”
In my eagerness to get to the points, I missed your qualification, and for that I apologize.
You’ll have to forgive me, I have become jaded lately by some anti-Christians who have a strange reverence for North Korea, and I projected too much here, my apologies! And thanks for the correction
Feel free to delete my comment if it does not add to anything
Another great article. It seems to me that there is no more veneration for the worthy. The only true veneration we find is in trash culture, pop icons, TV stars and big business people. Unfortunately almost none of the above are venerable. If only we could find a way back to venerating the Worthy, those honest and courageous people who work/fight for the betterment of their families, their communities and their people. Thanks for writing.
Go with the Gods!
Thanks brother. Glad you enjoyed it!
It is normal, but normal and healthy aren't the same thing. It's normal that people identify themselves woth the State, but it's also natural that people who do so tend to lose touch with right and wrong- because the State is always right.
The State itself stands in the place of God for most people, regardless of their professed religions or the officiates of their State.
I think your observation that the Nation is a political body is most keen and is a point that many do not comprehend - that it's never “them” or “they” performing crimes of State, but it's *always* “we” or “us with them.”
The leaders are no more separate from the people than a head is separate from a body, regardless of one's like or dislike of particular leaders.
Interesting piece. Thanks.
A point that can be taken from this article and discussion is that the people of a nation (or any community) can become unified and bonded together because of a powerful leader. That is a nearly unknown concept in modern western society. The last somewhat unifying leader in the U.S. was probably JFK. In the UK, I'm not sure; maybe Thatcher? The point is that our societies are divided against themselves, rather than united, because of the temporary style of leadership in which the current one vilifies the previous one, and which will be vilified themselves by the next. If a leader represents it's people, is it any wonder that we are schizophrenic society with auto-immune disease that is on the edge of civil war? The one great thing that unites a divided group is an outside threat or enemy; Rome nearly always had that, North Korea has always had it (perceived or real), and the last time our peoples had it was WWII.
This movement, or idea for a people, can only come together under a strong leader and under an outside threat. That threat right now is extinction of our race, culture and people by infiltrators of the other. When a people comes together for a common cause, all other differences are minimized and become largely irrelevant.
The common understanding of a leader nowadays (as shown by Palin), who is to be scrutinized until some minute personal flaw is found and then ridiculed out of office, and is a temporary placeholder grasping for power and personal gain, is a very flawed method of leadership. Monarchy, or at least autocracy, as flawed as they are, have historically shown to be better long-term methods of leadership. I am not opposed to going back to that.
What we have here is the Hero cult that go way back even to the Greeks with Hercules. Even Homer have a political value because his epics shaped the Greek soul itself. Their shades are still tied to their bodies and so the cities still honored them in expectation of guidance and protection. Even the dead rose to fight the Persians when they invaded Athens. America, that supposed common man’s democracy, used to have giant sculptures of Washington, Jefferson, Robert E. Lee, and Lincoln, up to Mount Rushmore. Even in 2020, long after our skepticism begun, my family and I still felt deep outrage at the violence visited upon their images. There are many “conservatives” who get confused when I tell them that 2020 changed everything for me. Their fossilized brains cannot understand this deep human, pagan, reverence. Too stuck on the flypaper of abstractions.
Excellent post
in the past leaders sought the common good....today they are a den of thieves....and they have been baited into this by the fifth column called jews
You need to actually read the article. I’ve talked about Rome, and I’ve disavowed North Korea’s politics. It’s the veneration of a political leader that I’m addressing, because that in itself is actually a normal desire.
If there’s a trend that pagans are disproportionately in favour of North Korea then you’d have to point me to it. It’s something I’ve yet to see, given that I’m part of many prominent pagan circles.
I see the part I skipped now that you said here:
“I’m not vouching for their ideology, general politics and domestic or geopolitical actions. The question concerns this particular feature of public life and the relationship between the people and the state:”
In my eagerness to get to the points, I missed your qualification, and for that I apologize.
You’ll have to forgive me, I have become jaded lately by some anti-Christians who have a strange reverence for North Korea, and I projected too much here, my apologies! And thanks for the correction
Feel free to delete my comment if it does not add to anything
No problem at all, we’re all guilty of it! Especially in the political space.